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you're in "the cycle." and so it goes. the talking, poth turing and who is the tough side continues in washington as we play let's spin "the cycle" wheel of misfortune. today is fiscal fiesta. whoo! yes. it's a party. don't you feel it? with both sides posturing, it reminds me of this scene in the movie "deliverance." ♪ >> yes, duelling banjos. we here on thursdays call it basketball with both sides stalling into the new year's eve
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deadline. this is the four corners offense. cliff, fiesta, follies and slope. if you want your own corner name tweet us for four corners or post on our facebook wall. in today's news the president a little more than an hour ago went to northern virginia to push the middle class tax cut message by spending time with an actual middle class family. >> the message that i got from tiffany and the message that i think we all want to send to members of congress is, this is a solvable problem. i'm not going to sign any package that somehow prevents the top rate from going up for folks at the top 2%, but i do remain optimistic that we can get something done that is good for families like this one's. >> and this actually appears to be working. a new poll shows the president is running ahead of the boehner-led republican team. what about basketball you say? we go to charlotte last night,
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and the knicks treasury secretary, carmelo anthony, top paid and big star got hurt in this dive and had to leave the game. then the at the end it came down to this. >> looking for felton and finds smith. two seconds, one second. smith for the win. >> game over. no overtime. deal, end game, done. is this meaningless nba game in charlotte lead us to how the fiscal fiesta ends? we have a man who we think knows the answer, the king of the last word here on msnbc and all seeing of things in washington, the great one and only lawrence o'donnell. lawrence, thank you for joining us. this is very early in the day for you. >> this is earlier than i normally wake up in the day. see, i do very late night tv show. >> i'm familiar with it. >> you've been there once in a while. don't expect much from me at this hour. >> all right. way to set the barlow. very smart strategy there.
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>> no. i have a strategy for doing this show. without a second of homework, okay? >> you told me that. >> i have no idea what's happening today, i have no idea what the news is. my strategy is simply this. i agree with krystal. that's what i'm going to say. >> that's because she's on your show and agrees with you. >> i wish every guest took that lesson to heart. >> speaking of aagreeing with me, one thing that did happen in the news today -- i'm not sure you're aware of it. >> i have no idea. this is news to me right now. america and i are going to learn this right now live. >> wait for it. senator jim demint announcing he's going to resign from the senate to go lead heritage foundation. now, i know this is brand-new to you, so you can take a moment to digest. do you think that this changes the grounds of negotiations for the fiscal cliff, and do you think that he's in some way -- he's been aa very ardent tea party supporter, critic of john boehner even with his initial
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proposal. is he going to wield actually more power at the heritage foundation than he does right now as a senator? >> it's always a joke when anybody talks about wielding more power out of elective office as a civilian than in elective office. it's a real help to the republicans in the senate because he has cost them the senate. he has done more damage to the senate and most especially to republicans in the senate than anyone else. he has backed these crazy, nutty tea parties who have gutted the republican nomination for senate in various states around the country, and then he went on to lose to democrats thereby preserving the democratic control of the senate, preserving harry he reed therei. he had become an absolute disaster within his own party. the big cheer today is in the republican caucus saying, finally, we're getting rid of our absolute craziest nut. >> very good.
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we congratulate them for that. another thing, lawrence, that happened today is governor bobby jindal wrote an op-ed in politico and he said, at present any reading the headlines over the past week indicates that republicans are fighting to protect the rich and cut benefits for senior. it may be possible to have worse political positioning than that, but i'm not sure how. certainly it's true the democrats have the stronger hand and the republicans do. republicans threaten to use the debt ceiling down the road to try to still get their way in some way. how would you advise the president it to sort of approach these negotiations right now? >> first of all, it's worth noticing for the president and everyone else that there has become after this election a competition among possible future national republican candidates to sound the most reasonable. jindal is leading in that race so far.
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what he's just said is the most reasonable thing you could possibly say under the circumstances, and this is why the president is sitting back in if he can waiting for boehner to come to him. he's allowing the pressure to build on boehner, to build on house republicans and senate republicans from the outside and from the jindals and from tom cole in the house. these people are saying let's do the reasonable thing and vote on all the tax rates we agree on. let's get that done and then let's reserve time in january and going forward to work on everything else. >> lawrence, as you know, you're an extraordinary man and you've had an extraordinary career. >> this is scary. >> working around extraordinary people. of course, senator moynahan and on the west wing. i think you have insight into extraordinary people, being one yourself. i saw an extraordinary sentence
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in the "new york times" this morning. many house republicans appear to view mr. boehner with the same sort of respect that adult children award their parents for the sage counsel they ignored in their younger days, which is amazing and i've long thought of some of the republicans as children. so it's interesting that now we call them adult children. how has speaker boehner corralled his caucus to respect him and work with him and be on board with him when we know it's -- they like discipline over there, but it's a raucous group as well. >> he had to do it the hard way. we haven't seen a modern speaker have to do it this way. the way he had to do it was allow the nuts to run things for a couple of years and see where that got them. so he couldn't get any control over these kinds of people, you know, a year ago, two years ago, and he has got to show them, look. we did it your way.
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we allowed you crazy tea party indulgences here and took all the votes on basically changing and ends medicare as we know it. we lost a bunch of elections because of it, including the presidency. so now let's try to do this the professional way, the way that's best for the long-term strength of that party in the house of representatives and in the senate and in the country. they are listening to him because the tea party people realize they don't have a better idea and the tea party people realize we're really good at losing elections. maybe there's another way. >> this was all just a brilliant strategy by john boehner? >> it's all he had. look, the thing about being in the congressional leadership is it is not -- it's herding cats. you can't get them to do things they don't want to do. so they have to have a collective wisdom. when you have a giant influx of not just freshmen members of the house but people who are
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anti-politics in a certain kind of way from the tea party, anti-government, anti-compromise, when they come in to your group, it is impossible to lead. by the way, imt not someone who at any point criticized john boehner's leadership skills. i believe all those criticisms were misplaced. he had a problem with who got elected under his party banner. it's not that previous speakers were better leaders than he was. previous speakers didn't have as many crazy people in the room with him. >> that's a good point. >> let's see how much the republicans appreciate his sage counsel if he says guys, we have to hike rates. i'm waiting for that. speaking of that, lawrence, i know you were there in washington when the clinton rates that we're all talking about now went into effect back in 1993. you probably remember the republicans saying there would be a second recession and millions of jobs lost and none of of that happened in the 1990s. now we're back at the point where democrats for a decade have fought the lower rates and
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saying we need clinton rates. if it's going to happen, this is sort of the moment. the news at least today right now in terms of where these negotiations have gone is republicans seem to be putting out the word that the potential framework for compromise on this is 37%. instead of going up to 39.6, which was the top rate that clinton set, it's down to 35 now. they move to 37, and republicans are a critical number of republicans in the house are able to say, well we didn't give if all the way. we got the best deal we could and held them to 37%. from the democrats' standpoint after fighting it for a decade, do you think it's good enough to get to 37%? >> normally that's where a compromise is. whenever you legislate numbers and tax rates are always just the legislation of numbers, the place to compromise actually is on what that number is. now, there are two numbers that the obama side, the democrats want to change.
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there are two top rates. the 33 and the 35. under the obama plan, the 33 would go to 36, the 35 would go to 39.6. you know, if you're trying to negotiate a compromise, you can start to play with each one of those numbers and try to find something. the huge problem for the republicans on doing that is they're opposed to any kind of tax increase on principle. so it's very hard for them to go into the negotiations that way and say, well, we could live with 37. well, if you do that, you have violated everything you've said about what you stand for prior to that. min i mean, the easier way for boehner to handle this is to allow if not secretly encourage a vote to occur in the house on the senate bill. if boehner were to allow a couple of dozen of his people it to go sign the discharge
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petition so that that comes to a vote and it comes to a vote without boehner having his fingerprints on it, allowing some republicans to go over there and just vote for that, that's the cleanest way to get it done and violates the fewest principles of other republicans who otherwise had to cast a vote on something. >> at the same time, lawrence, we hear republicans saying, yes, we do have to increase revenue whether it's on the capital gains tax. i think some are willing to listen to having to raise the tax rate and maybe this 37%, maybe it's 38, maybe a cap on 500,000 instead of 200,000 for couples. my question to you is, once they get past that -- i actually believe they can come to some terms of aagreement. the way the -- the pathway for republicans is they have to get something back. so what could this administration -- what can the democrats who are also frayed who say we don't do anything on
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entitlement reeforms and more reasonable ones than we have to? what can they offer to republicans because that's a hard pill to swallow. >> the president offers it every time he lays this out, and i think that most of the world doesn't hear the second part of what he says. he always says i have to have the top rates go up. i have to have the rates go up in the top 2% p, and it's worth noting he doesn't ever specifically say it has to be 36 and 39.6. he never mentioning a specific number, but he always says, and we're willing to do that accompanied by significant spending cuts in entitlements. he says that. he brings it up. he doesn't say the word medicare, but that's what he's talking about. you have paul ryan and you have boehner saying, we can't do anything without cuts in medicare. they specify. they're happy to say what they want to cut in health care entitlements and so on and so
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forth. they're both saying they're interested in doing that, and it's absolutely true there are some democrats in both bodies that say absolutely not. i won't touch medicare in any way in relation to that. remember, on this kind of package when it's bipartisan you don't need every democratic vote, just as you don't need every republican vote. >> right. what i hear more from democrats is no benefit cuts rather than you can't touch it at all. >> that's what they say, to take all out of health care providers and doctor's fees that you can't do. so that's just a language that's been built up around medicare cuts. look, the very first thing bill clinton did with medicare as president was cut it and was to, in fact, cut it more than any president had ever cut it before. there were no whimpers out of anyone in the democratic party. it was part of a $500 billion bill, 250 billion of it was tax increase we did, and 200 billion
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approximately was medicare cuts, also medicaid cuts that were in that bill. they were all done on the so-called provider side. that's the way they tend to do that. those are very difficult cuts to make because we've made so many of them in the past. so that side of the of the system is kind of cut to the bone at this point. >> all right. lawrence o'donnell, thanks for hanging with us. will you hang out again sometime? >> this is a lot of fun. no-homework tv is a lot of fun. >> up next, forbes's list of the most powerful people in the world is out. [ male announcer ] when ziggy the cat appeared at their door, he opened up jake's very private world. at first, jake's family thought they saved ziggy, but his connection with jake has been a lifesaver.
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today forbes released the list of the 71 most powerful people in the world. it's compiled by evaluating four main factors, how many people you have power over, financial resources under your control, having influence in more than one area, and how actively you wield said power and influence. i just missed the cut. i was like 72. next year will probably be it. holding the number one spot is president barack obama. he's followed in the top five by angela merkel, russian putin, bill gates and pope benedict xvi or at pontfx on twitter.
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there's an interesting name at number 62 that jumped out, joaquin guzman, the biggest and baddest drug trafficker in the world. he heads the sinaloa cartel. it's interesting they notice the underground economy, and the guy is worth like a billion dollars. he's a big reason for a lot of the cocaine, heroin and marijuana in america. >> wields a lot of power. >> i wonder what else he does. >> heroin, cocaine, marijuana. multiple industries. it's proof to me, i think, that the war on drugs has xleecomple failed if an illegal drug trafficker is in the top 60. he's been on the list since 2009, so they've known about him. it's ridiculous this soort of person would be on the list, but then it calls into question the nature of power. yes, he has this power in terms of the drug economy, but he
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can't just go anywhere. he's in control of the space he's in, unless there's bodyguards around him. when he goes to restaurants he locks the door and takes the cell phones and pays for everybody's meal. if you can't control the space that you move through, how are you actually powerful? it calls into nature what power is. >> that's why he's not 52. >> he's the number one most wanted fugitive in the world. >> he's seen a lot. maybe that makes him powerful on the wanted posters. let's move to something more positive, when we look at bill gates, number four and he's the second wealthiest man in the world. he's number four for his charitable giving. right now he's on path to prevent 8 million deaths by 2020 with his work and the money he's donating. i think that's really substantial, and just to counter the drug dealer, seeing him at number four is great. >> the drug dealer is a few
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spots higher than john boehner. >> that's about right. >> 65 is where boehner checks in. we were talking about boehner in the last segment. what lawrence is saying is true. it's not boehner's fault he's a weak speaker, but he is an incredibly weak speaker. there's that thing in the times saying maybe they're coming around. i don't think they're coming around at all. the problem is the republican party is driven by this sort of conservative movement more now than ever before in the last couple of years. boehner is a little more old school in that. he came to congress in 1990. he was sort of a reformer and teamed up with democrats, he was more pragmatic and climbed into the leadership and fell out and climbed back in. he was next in line for the leadership when the tea party thing happen. the story of his speakership is the tea party conservatives are waiting for the minute he sells them out. he hasn't sold them out yet. >> it's like the tail wagging the dog. >> he doesn't exercise any p power. this is a test this month.
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he's waiting this out and looking to have enough credibility with the right to make a deal. we'll see what happens when it gets to that point. i don't think he has much power. >> i have to tell you, i looked at this list, and i guess i haven't looked at this list closely in years past. i found it sort of depressing. bill gates has done amazing things, but overall on this lists it's heads of states, bankers, billionaires, not a lot of really inspirational leaders except number one, barack obama. there were only six women on it. it felt vechl like an old school interpretation of what power is. i'm not even sure -- i don't object to who they put on. i just found it sort of depressing that these are the people that control the levers of power. >> is that a statement on the world today? >> i think it is a statement on the world as it exists today, although i think it's changing. i would bet that in 20 years even the list will look a lot different because we are
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democratized the levers the power. that's my hope. i find it depressing right now, though. >> hopefully more activists on the list, but we'll see. straight ahead, forget the fiscal cliff for a second. how do we get america's economy growing again? mean a man with a plan next in the guest spot. can i help you? i heard you guys can ship ground for less than the ups store. that's right. i've learned the only way to get a holiday deal is to camp out. you know we've been open all night. is this a trick to get my spot? [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. let's see if we can get the same item at walmart for less? okay. fijit friends. fifteen bucks on rollback. wow! that's a savings of over 29 bucks! twenty-nine bucks!!?? and they're powered by friendship. see for yourself if you could save on the brands you want. walmart.
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we have some good news. nasa has confirmed there are no asteroids or other objects hurdling towards the earth. i'm afraid the mayans are wrong again. the world will not end on december 21st. fates will punish us for being overconfident. contrary to popular belief, it also won't probably end on the 31st either. washington and much of the media would like to have us believe
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that financial armageddon is around the corner. whether we find ourselves at the fiesta -- i'm like nixon on "laugh in." it's all the same to our next guest. he argues we need a morning after strategy because it's what we do after january 1st that makes all the difference. in the guest spot today jay peloski, an investment strategist. let me dust the confetti off the first question to you here. something that's been lost in the discussion here about the fiscal slope -- i will not call it the f word so they don't bomb me again here. something lost in the discussion is basically this is a discussion about austerity. about the dangers of austerity at this time for our economy. the flipside of that is and you've written about this, we need growth in the economy right now. we need something out there to stimulate the economy and austerity is not going to do that. obama in his first offer to congress proposed some slight, you know, stimulative measures.
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republicans immediately scoffed at it and dismissed it. skeptical we'll have much in the way of stimulus if and when they strike an agreement here. can we look outside of the government and congress and see any other possible sources of stimulus for this economy in the near ferm? >> steve, i like the humor around the group, and i think it's a slightly schizophrenic time. i think one can be deeply worried about the compression of growth, the collapse of inflation, and the possible revival of 1930s style policies around the world. that's deeply worrying. on the other hand, i think there is some space to be slightly optimistic that we're opening up opportunities for what i call a pivot to inhe flags both here in the united states and around the world. >> this is just around the corner, and it's going to destroy the economy and inflation has not ticked up. it's been low for the past few years.
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you say maybe a little inflation wouldn't be bad for the economy right here. kind of a counterintuitive argument to make. can you lay that case out a little bit? >> yeah. the big concern when you have a heavily indekted economy here in the united states and around the developed world the last thing you want is deflation, because that means the debt burdens get heavier and it becomes harder to pay them off. what you want essentially is some inflation. not high inflation, but a little bit of inflation to kind of work down the debts. so i think the need here is the need toll pivot to growth. what we see around the worltd and i'll give you two quick examples. they just came out with the 2013 growth forecast for europe, an economy slightly bigger than the united states. they went from a plus 0.3% growth rate to minus 0.5%. the cbo said our underlying growth rate, all other things constant, our underlying growth rate has halved over the past decade from 4% to 2%.
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we're in a serious global growth compression period, and we need to pivot both in the united states and around the world to pro-growth reflationary strategies. >> jay, you reference that report, which i was looking at as well. what is the underlying growth rate, what does that mean exactly, and what can we do to bring it back up to the 4% where it was? >> essentially it means that the dynamics of the economy, the demographics, the productivity growth rate, the key things that drive economic growth are such that we have a 2% growth path in front of us in part because when you think about the '90s -- i know that was discussed earlier in the show -- we had a much bet demographic, kind the baby boomer bulge coming through. that boosted our potential growth rate. here we're on the other side of that, demographics are a drag on the economy. not a pro on the economy. i think we need to invest and there's a sweet spot comes up in infrastructure in particular that offers a real opportunity.
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>> jay, my question. as far as when you talk about that sweet spot, if we're going to start seeing inflation through the roof, i think a lot of people expect it if we come it to a deal with the fiscal cliff and get economic growth and get people investing, inflation will go up. so that is going to be a problem for american families. like you said, there are places that business can succeed. is it government-infused money to get there, or is it going to be actual, real, american dollars in there? >> susan, that's really the opportunity. first of all, i don't think inflation is a concern for years. in order for inflation to be a concern it it has to get into the wage cycle. we're far from that. the needs are clear. ports, roads, transport rail and plus protection against extreme weather. on the other side demand. the demand for infrastructure investments isle coming from the private sector. this is very new and it's driven by the fact as rates come down
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the opportunities for investors, pension funds and sovereign wealth funds to find opportunities to give them the yield they want, 5 to 6% are disappearing. infrastructure offers that opportunity. it's a long-term opportunity. it matches their liabilities, what they need to protect to pay off their retirees very nicely. so i think there's actually a sweet spot between the need for infrastructure and the ability of not only the government, because that's the knock, right? we don't have new money for government to spend on infrastructure. government has to play a role here, but increasingly there's a desire from the private sector from private capital to invest in infrastructure. >> jay, we almost always talk about the developed nations and their economies. when they have problems, when they sneeze, the emerging nations catch the flu, right? they are dealing with the impact of the mistakes or the problems in the developed nations far more, right? >> well, i think that's right, toure. here's the interesting thing about infrastructure. if we do a very serious, large,
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infrastructure program in the united states over the next couple of years, we do two things. we employ a lot of people and good-paying jobs and near term very low growth. over the median term it helps to protect us and make sure we have the competitive position we need to benefit from the emerging economies in their growth as the emerging middle class in dhichi asia, india and elsewhere comes on stream in 2025. we want to sell into asia. >> all right, jay, thank you for joining us. up next, a little female power. that's right. new research on why the odds are stacked against women in politics and how to beat them. house republicans have all their he white male committee chair picks until jon stewart can take it away and explain. >> candice miller of michigan will chair the house administration committee. >> we got one! whoo! a lady with lady parts. she will be the chair of the
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days after a stunning loss to then candidate obama in the iowa caucuses. for many the tears helped turn it around and win the new hampshire primary the next day. the next guest says this is a prime example of how difficult it is for women to win political office because they must be both qualified and likeable, a standard voters don't require of male candidates. that's one new findings from lake research and barbara lee foundation. solinda lake is is president of lake research. they surveyed 2012 voters to find a clear, winning road map for women running for office. something i wished i had when i was running for my congressional seat in virginia. thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> what are the more surprising findings from the research? >> the origin isn't very surprising, and i bet you faced it a lot in campaigns. voters say i'll vote for a man. i'll vote for a woman if she's qualified. how do women communicate that
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they're qualified? we looked in detail at how do you introduce yourself? voters believe they can decide within 30 to 45 seconds whether a woman is qualified ornd ornt. the other stunning finding that we had as you mentioned, the double-bind. people are willing to vote for a qualified man they don't like, but they won't vote for a woman they don't like. >> as you know, women are less likely than men to seek political office. they're less likely to see themselves as candidates so to speak. i think this research plays into a lot of the sort of innate fears women have to be perfect from day one, polished and prepared out of the gates and that they're punished more than a man would be for the mistakes that they would make potentially on the trail. so what would you say to a woman who is thinking about wrrunning for office and is scared by this research. >> the good up thing is they're true and now we have ideas about
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how to deal with this. it is true. there's no running start for women. you have to be prepared from day one. you have to communicate qualifications, confidence, knowledge. you cannot ramp up your campaign. the second thing that's true is if you make a mistake, we have very interesting strategies about how to deal with that mistake. a lot of women -- you saw it in the last campaigns. they try to explain their ways out of mistakes. one of the nicest, best things to do is change the topic and get endorsements and validators who say forget that. she's got the best economic plan. forget, she got this passed ♪ senate. you can step on a mistake better than you can explain it. >> i've always believed there is this double-bind that women if they're not tough enough, then they don't get elected. if they're too tough, they violate the gender norms and don't get elected. as i was researching i found this study by deborah brooks of
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dartmouth assessing the double bind. she finds no evidence of a harmful double bind to female politicians. tough behavior appears to help women because of the expectancy violation theory that individuals who outperform below expectations get disproportionately rewarded for exceeding the examinations. and she talks about hillary and pelosi and condoleezza who are known as tough who are telling people, hey, it's okay to be tough. the lack of expectation that women will be tough, they are rewarded for being tough. what do you make of this theory by professor brooks? >> i think it's a very powerful one, and what we found in the work for barbara lee family foundation is that there's a distinction between strength and toughness. there are many ways in which women can be strong and show -- and voters are very comfortable with that. actually, many of the things that make you seem strong and qualified also make you seem more likeable.
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these are two separate categories. they're highly correlated. >> as a consultant, i've advised dozens and dozens of candidates both male and female, and the one thing is while we talk about what women face, a male candidate running against a woman faces certainly challenges as well. i'm wondering, what do you think certain strengths that female candidates have they can use to their advantage against their male opponents? >> it's a really good question. so first of all women think that -- voter think women are more honest and more in touch with their lives. that they might have some of the same shared experiences, vulnerabilities that comes to crime, shopping at the 7-eleven to get milk for the morning breakfast and understanding what the price of milk is. they think of them as more elm pathetic. women strengths help in legislative office than in executive office, which requires
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that toughness qualification strength, solo leadership. voters also think that any three women in america can agree on more than what congress can do right now. they think women are better able to bring people together, which is a powerful trait right now. >> i can remember 20 years ago it doesn't seem that long ago there were just two women in the u.s. senate, one democrat and one republican. i think the number is now 20 after these elections. >> right. >> the interesting thing is there's a real partisan split there. there's like 16/4 democrat and republican. you look at that in the house and the lack of women chairing committees. i wonder if you can indict the republican party over that lack of progress, but i also wonder does that create an opportunity, a particular opportunity for female republicans in the next few years as the party kind of tries to rebrand itself? do you think they'll go out of their way to promote women for the senate or in new positions in the house committee chairs the next time they give out assignments?
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>> they should. actually, they lost women voters. one of the ways to get women voters and have them pay attention is to nominate more women candidates. the problem for republicans is it's hard to get out of their primaries. they're very viable in the general elections, but the tea party and the born-again christian conservatives have traditionally not voted very much for women candidates and only 45% of the average republican primary is made up of female voters. by contrast on the democratic side, it's 56%. >> all right. thank you so much. >> thank you for having me. straight ahead, speaking of politi politics, domain names for 2016 are getting snapped up. what the most popular picks say about the 2016 prospects. you might notice a little extra taylor swift in the show today. congrats from my favorite of the grammy nominees this year, and to all of the great acts who were picked last night. this family used capital one venture miles
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12:50 pm, elizabeth and surprising santor >> whoa. >> all the speculation has got us thinking, maybe we should get it in on the game. people are making thousands off the cyber investments so why not get in on the action? >> absolutely. >> what domain would you snatch up. let's backspin on it. >> what you got, susan? >> i did research. there's optimists out apparently romneyryan is still taken. now, what's interesting -- >> it could happen. >> is that romneyryan2016. >> it is. >> how about ryanromney 2016? >> i didn't look that one up. but i did look up bloomberg and bloomberg2016. since he's leaving and leaving an opening for 2013, i thought it's the holiday times maybe i should buy s.e. for mayor.
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it is available. >> i can't believe it. >> snatch that right up for her. >> i guess that means it's my turn to talk. >> you got something for us here, steve? >> this is supposed to be the fun segment and i will give you my idea of fun way may not be anybody else's idea of fun. first, i would say if i had to snatch up a 2016 domain name so i could extort these complains campaigns in the future my guess is hillary clinton and duvall patrick. i love just trying to come up with my mind what i think makes sense. i have cataloged them going back what my other ones were. >> how have you been in the past? >> the trip down memory lane. like after the 1996 election i said the 2000 republican ticket will be fred thompson and elizabeth dole. didn't quite work out. i siaid the democrats are gore
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and kerry. '08, hillary and ted strickland, swing and a miss. george allen. and romney/thune most recently. my brilliant hillary clint clinton/duvall patrick pick, track record not so great. >> rick santorum bought his own names. i was thinking what fed gingrich/perry 2016. the open marriages the oops moments, the best press release of all time. >> i have to look beyond 2016 because hillary clinton will win in 2016 and then she'll win again in 2020 so i had to look to 2024. when you look that far out you have to really think hard, but i found a brilliant passionate politician who is a winner who cares deeply about politics.
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he's on the right side of gun control. kornacki2024. kornackster 2024. you have to lock all these down. ji >> i was going to make fun of you but great. >> he has the total recall of every fact ever. >> just don't talk to the bill collectors from a few years ago. >> americans are very forgiving. >> up next, we have to talk, krystal says no matter how seductive, it's time to break with the debt ceiling. ♪ the weather outside is frightful ♪ ♪ but the fire is so delightful ♪ nothing melts away the cold like a hot, delicious bowl of chicken noodle soup from campbell's. ♪ let it snow, let it snow
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if congress in any way suggests that they're going to tie negotiations to debt ceiling votes and take us to the brink of default once again as part of a budget negotiation, which by the way we have never done in our history until we did it last year, i will not play that game. >> that was the president warning congressional republicans not to mess with him and not to mess with the country when it comes to raising the debt ceiling. oh, debt ceiling, if i had to describe you in one word, it would be seducer. members of congress got together and gorged themselves at the table of deficit spending ordering up porterhouse sized tax cuts for their riff friends and a heaping helping of extended unemployment benefits for their out of work neighbors, something i support, by the way. now the bill comes due, and when it's time to whip out the
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national credit card, you whisper your sweet notion into the tea party's here and the gop threatens to dash as a matter of principle. who wants to put $16 trillion on the national credit card? who is pro-debt? no one. gop extremists get to pretend they're the adults in the room railing about spending that has already happened that they agreed to, and the best part you naughty, naughty, debt ceiling you, you offer them up a chance to get more goodies in the form of more tax cuts or the righteous thrill of cutting medicaid assistance from those obama-loving takers. for nearly 100 years now you were just this boring, nondescript wallflower, never drawing attention to yourself. when congress through spending and tax cuts came up against your limits, you were wordlessly elevated. they barely gave you a second glance. it was a waste of time to deal with you, but waste of time is what congress does.
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74 times you have been raised since the '60s. you saw wars, peace, a man on the moon, and no matter how you batted your fiscal eyelashes, nobody cared. invisible. now, all of a sud be the tea parties can't keep their hands off you. like a case of fiscal syphilis you put the entire body in peril, and i know this disease is no fault of your own. congressional republicans have decided that consequences be damned, threatening the country with national default by refusing to lift you after having already voted to cut taxes and spend until you absolutely must be raised is somehow a useful tool for getting their way. i know you love all the attention, but seriously, debt ceiling, this isn't a harmless flirtation. you know you think no sane person or cause a national default for the sake of a temper tantrum and the chance for a few a few fiscal goods, a chance to cop


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